E10 Petrol ?

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peakrock
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E10 Petrol ?

Post by peakrock » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:06 pm

What are people doing in regard to the new E10 petrol being introduced this year? Will you be using E5 petrol from now on or using the new E10? I saw this on the MCN website which suggests that we'll need to use E5...

"Piaggio (who own Moto Guzzi and Aprilia) were the least E10-friendly manufacturer in 2012, saying that all motorbikes built before 2011 would not be compatible with the fuel"

Dave

cx3650
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Re: E10 Petrol ?

Post by cx3650 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Denise and I hope to be 'Triking' next month - we're planning to use 97 octane wherever possible, mixed with Millers VSPe PowerPlus Multishot 500ml (Halfords sell it), which I noted was suggested in the last few weeks on the Morris Minors Owners Club site re: the E10 questions.
Yes - a little difference between my Minor and soon to be Triking :)))
I have used octane boosters in the past, which worked well for my uses at the time - although I am not an engineer it seems a possible answer/solution to possible quandary/concerns as it lists
But...
over to the engineers amongst us :)
Adrian & Denise

From Halfords website:
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/engin ... 30850.html

Millers VSPe PowerPlus Multishot Extra Info

One multi-shot bottle treats 10 x 50L tanks
Endorsed by the FBHVC as a fuel treatment for protection against corrosion in metals.
Octane enhancement of up to 2 octane numbers (20 points) dependent on fuel quality.
Prevents valve seat recession when used with unhardened valve seats.
Prevents detonation, hot spots & over run.
Prevents fuel system corrosion and helps protect components.
Combats the adverse effects of ethanol in fuel up to E10.
Carburetor anti-icing formula.
Contains anti oxidant to improve fuel life

Musselermark
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Re: E10 Petrol ?

Post by Musselermark » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:13 pm

Isn’t the problem with E10 , is it eats and disintegrates pipes and seals on older fuel systems?

Skeomorph
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Re: E10 Petrol ?

Post by Skeomorph » Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:40 pm

I gather that this fuel has been in use in the Netherlands for some time now. I found this link that may be of use: https://www.e10check.nl/motorscooter/moto-guzzi/

According to that site, engine codes beginning with ZGUKDE, ZGUKDG, ZGUKDH, ZGUKDL and ZGUKDM are OK. Unfortunately it doesn't say why some models aren't compatible, it may just be hoses or it may be more fundamental than that.

Regards, Andy.

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Re: E10 Petrol ?

Post by Doverhay » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:14 pm

Information available on the net:
If your petrol vehicle or equipment is not compatible with E10 fuel, you will still be able to use E5 by purchasing the 'super' grade (97+ octane) petrol ...

Jawascum
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Re: E10 Petrol ?

Post by Jawascum » Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:48 am

I am filling up with E5 (Premium unleaded)

The government guidance doesn't cover the why we shouldn't use it:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e10-petrol- ... e10-petrol

However a few other sites, such as the AA (link below) mention that ethanol is hygroscopic and the increase to 10% therefore can lead to condensation in fuel tanks, corrosion and damage to seals.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emis ... ffect-you/

Skeomorph
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Re: E10 Petrol ?

Post by Skeomorph » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:37 am

I've been wondering why the small increase in ethanol could be so catastrophic; I'm a cynic by nature and rarely take information from the meeja at face value. I found a reference to the following article in a FB group which seems to have been written by a kindred spirit.

https://www.theautochannel.com/news/201 ... 2Tzjw-ldvc

It might be a load of nonsense, but it's another POV on the subject.

Andy.

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